[Issue] Misc Controller Issues

[siesatia]

*Edit by Invector, bring all the questions and answers into the main post to better reading.

Sometimes, If I execute a three hit combo while on the platform, I end up taking recoil damage and fall off the platform. I'm not always able to reproduce this, but I managed to get a Screenshot of it.

A: Really simple, you're colling with the trigger... just change the Layer to Triggers and create another box collider for the base.

The Controller sometimes loses track of it's hands and feet and cannot successfully land punches. This seems to happen occasionally when copying the controller or creating it from a prefab and requires you to completely remove the Melee Manager and Hand/Feet Hitboxes, and re-add it again.

As with the ladder, when I defend, I'm able to interact with things and get a very strange looking animation cycle. See Picture Below.

A: Not sure about the first issue, never had it.. but the second is also really simple, just add a condition to not perform actions while the character is attacking or blocking.

If I attack while approaching an "Auto-Interact" trigger, I get stuck in the world geometry. See Below:
A: Same as above, just add 1 condition into the MeleeAttackConditions bool in the vMeleeCombatInput
&& !cc.isCrouching

Punching in a Crouch Zone pushes your head through the ceiling.
A: Same as above, just add 1 condition into the bool 

Punching a wall has you defend rather than recoil.
A: That's actually the recoil animation of the punch, if you punch an AI this animation will be most appropriated recoil, it doens't look so good when you hit a wall though.

You can run infinitely against solid objects. This is generally not industry standard these days and we should have the controller refuse to continue running, or have some kind of reaction when trying to do this.

A: Actually we have this option since v1.0, it's the StopMove Layer, we just turn off because it looks more fluid, but you just need to assign the layer StopMove into the wall or a trigger and the character will stop run.

When approaching an auto-trigger while crouched, you clip through the floor.
A: Just tested here and it works fine, probably something to do with your capsule collider settings.

Jumping over a Jumpover item plays footstep sounds.
A: Yep, if the foot touches the collider, it will play the footstep sound.

When assigning the Controller to be parented to the Platform when the platform has been scaled differently than the Controller... it assigns its scale values to the controller.
A: How about not scale the platform? lol

This is an edge case but it's an important one. When you vault over a Jumpover object while on the platform, it doesn't properly reassign you to the platform and you will fall off.
A: Perhaps not the best approuche is not using those 2 together, the platform makes the character children of it, and when you do the jump over you will exit and re-enter the platform. 

[shadex]

First off, don't make 10 posts, make one, it's harder to read and answer.

Second, learn IK, that's what your after

third, when you use a word like "industry standard" to a bunch of indie dev's, you look like a douche.

Fourth, it sounds like your models not setup right. Check the demo, see if the same things happen there. If it is the model, it could be a couple of things, a bad setup of the avatar, a bad conversion of the avatar or animations, especially if you converted from legacy.

Fifth as far as the scripts go to "climp up" or "jump across" if you don't want to get as specific as IK, you can just adjust the landing point's till it looks good. Just click on the object with the script and find the target.

[siesatia]

1) Fair point. I personally find smaller posts easier to digest myself, but I will keep it in mind.
2) In Progress. But it doesn't negate nor really relate to any of the posts here. Might be thinking of the ladder post in the other thread. Timely/Recent IK Tutorials are somewhat lacking in consistency and quality. If you have any to recommend that would be great.
3) Invector has marketed this as a AAA Level Product multiple times. The first line of the description of the Melee Controller's Description on the Asset Store is: "AAA Quality 3rd Person Controller". AAA represents best industry practices and standards, if something is not using these best industry practices and standards, it is not AAA.
4) I have tested it just now on the standard V-Robot model and found the same errors present. Using my own model was a mistake on my part, but it doesn't change the results this go around.
5) Changing and modifying the hand positions doesn't fix the feet issues I've posted. Both the robot model, and my current model still clip through the floor noticeably or end up stuck in the world geometry.

I am not bashing the product, I am bringing up legitimate concerns and bugs just as if I released an asset, I would expect concerns, criticisms, and bug reports on mine. I've been using the asset since the beginning, and helped beta test a release for Invector a while back, I've always held their product up as one of the best assets on the store, and I very much want to see it's continued success.

[Chronicman]

Not taking sides in this topic but I think some of the concerns are important and some are easy fixes blocking attack input during actions or adding additional animations would fix allot of the concerns listed. After creating my own assets it is really hard to come close to what Invector has produced and a creator cant forsee every problem so feed back is nice. We are human we all make mistakes its how we learn.

[Invector]

That's actually kind of helpful, we're just two of us and sometimes is really hard to find bugs, we do make A LOT of playtest combining things and predict every behaviour and results is really hard. So basically some of your questions are helpful to improve the template like the platform and attacking at the same time, but like chronic say, a lot of those questions are really simple to solve.

[shadex]

Feb 6, 2017 4:20:25 GMT siesatia said:

2) In Progress. But it doesn't negate nor really relate to any of the posts here. Might be thinking of the ladder post in the other thread. Timely/Recent IK Tutorials are somewhat lacking in consistency and quality. If you have any to recommend that would be great.
3) Invector has marketed this as a AAA Level Product multiple times. The first line of the description of the Melee Controller's Description on the Asset Store is: "AAA Quality 3rd Person Controller". AAA represents best industry practices and standards, if something is not using these best industry practices and standards, it is not AAA.
4) I have tested it just now on the standard V-Robot model and found the same errors present. Using my own model was a mistake on my part, but it doesn't change the results this go around.
5) Changing and modifying the hand positions doesn't fix the feet issues I've posted. Both the robot model, and my current model still clip through the floor noticeably or end up stuck in the world geometry.

I am not bashing the product, I am bringing up legitimate concerns and bugs just as if I released an asset, I would expect concerns, criticisms, and bug reports on mine. I've been using the asset since the beginning, and helped beta test a release for Invector a while back, I've always held their product up as one of the best assets on the store, and I very much want to see it's continued success.

2. The IK system allows you to actually place the hand's or feet in the proper location. It's usually what most climbing systems, and 3d platformers use. It's a pain to do, but it makes a big difference. I'll leave a few links to tutorials that helped me. I am not the greatest with the IK system, but if you have questions, feel free to make a post or PM me and i will attempt to answer them.

3. Your definition is impossible. If i have a mobile game designed to work on low end systems, and a game designed to run on high end PC's, whats the industry standard texture size, lighting, rendering path? The best practices and standards is really relative to the type of game, the system its being designed to, the tech requirements, even the genre. TPC works almost identical to dark souls which is AAA, and has almost nothing out of the box for mirrors edge. Also AAA quality does not mean bug free either.

4. Ok so it's happening with the default demo scene. That means we can eliminate all the typical setup problems. I tested this last night breifly, and for the jump from plat form to play form, i just moved the target landing position a little past the platform till it worked. In the animator Foot IK is turned off by default on the jump and landing. I'll take a look tonight or tommrow to see if there is an easy trick for this. For the climb up, the only solution i know that i can think of is either IK or change the destination target. I just adjust the destination target.

5. So do the feet. If your talking IK, you typically have to IK both hands and both feet, and in some cases each finger and toe.

Ahh, if thats the case then i appologise. typically when people use buzz words like "Tight controls" or "industry standard" and points out a ton of problems on their first posts, it typically means they just want someone to make there game for them, and ignores suggestions, tutorials, or any real answer. Forums for assets have conditioned me!!!!111

Full wall climbing system tutorial, including coding


Long Tutorial on the entire IK system (This is what i used to learn, and despite being exhausting, is the most complete)


A quick playmaker IK tutorial