Full Blooded RPG addon from Invector?

[WithinAmnesia]

What would it take to convince the staff at Invector to create an honest effort RPG module that has even the most bog standard of RPG features for the Third Person Controller series?

1.) - Wearable Armour (Head, Shoulders, Arms, Wrist, Hands, Chest, Waist, Back, Legs, Feet, Neck, Finger, Trinket etc.)

2.) - Full Quest System (Quest text start -> progress -> hand in, quest rewards, quest chains etc.)

3.) - Character Statistics and Abilities and Classes (Character Levels, Experience Tables, Character Class Abilities, Character Health resource bar, Energy resource bar, Mana resource bar, Spirit / Chi resource bar, Strength, Agility, Constitution, Intellect, Perception, Charisma, Weapon Skill, Climbing Skill; Like with dungeon and dragons style character sheets etc.)

4.) - Save-able character slots (for saving games / auto save like an MMORPG to also enable multiple playthroughs and replayablity with different character combinations)

5.) - Loot Tables and Loot Windows (To enable shared drop tables and item drops based on % chance to further enhance replayablity, like Diablo, WoW, Borderlands series etc.)

6.) - Colour Coded Item Qualities (Bog standard in most every RPG and loot drop games for it works well)

7.) - Mounts (Everyone likes these in RPGs)

8.) - Player Item Banking / Stash (To enable long term exploration and dungeon delving and create the foundation for player housing / base)

9.) - Inventory Item Sounds (Item Icons make noises when picked up and put down to add extra polish to the tinkering in the inventory).

10.) - Crafting and Profession skill system (To enable extra player depth and world interaction, gather herbs make potions, mine ore make armour etc.)

These features are found everywhere today and player expectation takes these feature for granted expecting these features to be found in most all RPGs today in some capability. All of these features enable player character depth and progression and are quintessential components to current day RPGs. I know that Invector has the ability and talent to achieve these features and could even make money as an extra module.

Hell I would pay $500 for a separate module that was compatible with Invector's Third Person Controller although I know that I am not alone and hordes of people would jump at a complete full blooded RPG toolset in Unity; there is nothing on the market like it and I have searched for over a decade!

So what would it take to convince the staff at Invector to create a full blooded RPG module for the Third Person Controller series?

I at least have spent much more than $500 dollars on this quest to find the complete full blooded RPG engine and I would be very willing to drive this project further past the finishing line; and everyone wins! Invector has another commercial module product, my decades quest for a full blooded RPG engine akin to Mount and Blade would find victory and thousands of aspiring RPG developers would have a fair shot at making great games of their dreams!

[uberwiggett]

I could use $500 :/

Have you actually looked through the forums yet? There are three different rpg packs so far that offer what you want, and others that will work in unison with popular asset kits on the UAS that will help you get what you want easily. I opened up the offer to create a simple one click solution for rpg with invector but nobody wanted it, so instead i focused on a stats system that you can use to create character progression with the invector controller. There is a free version of it where you can see how to implement your own system.

If you are going to make a full blown rpg with invector then you're going to need to know how to code with it, thrre is no getting around that even if you had a one click solution. Invector don't want to make a template that shoe horns you into one type of game, that is why they have made the template as it is, so people making all sorts of games can get into it, and the community can develop their own addon systems.

[WithinAmnesia]

Well that is great if I can find more people interested in adding RPG elements to Invector's controller template.

Although I am quite skeptical with community made assets and or projects for they tend to have bugs or are half done with no follow up development or any other sort of cthulhu problems. Yet if I do nothing then there is no progress. So it seems like a balance where I need to find help in building more onto the template and generating enough interest to do so.

I am open to any source as long as the addons work. I have been cruising around the forums and I have seen some off and on projects and addons and I was not sure if the handful of people working on these have stopped, diverted interest or any other complicated state of focus. So I figured it best to ask directly and see what falls out the tree when I shake it :-P.

I am quite aware that there is a high chance of partial success with one or a few of the above points met and I have listed them in order of importance; so all I can do is ask around and see what happens. I targeted Invector for I know their quality and talent level can achieve these features on the list. Yet I am unsure if anyone in the community can deliver a solid solution to the above list of features.

There are many times where community projects implode and or fizzle out. Also I have found that working with as few moving parts and rather deeper connections with one or two highly competent involved parties has worked well in business in the real world. This is contrasted by the ever morphing array of semi-competent people combined into a huge overwhelming cthulhu of a pipeline where the relationship is simple for everyone else but on my end. If I do not keep myself ordered and focused, this cascading array of complexity blooms into managing 10 or 16 people at once; which is no fun XD. To put the importance of simplicity of workflow on my end into perspective I also have to work jobs and build a house on top of being a single developer!

So I realize in order to not implode from over complexity of a community project and still deliver a tangible stable solution for the above list of features to add onto the Invector controller; I need help from without. I will most likely need to invest into a professional quality asset creator who can work with Invector. This is mostly likely to be at the end of the day offered within a pool of just 3 or 4 highly competent people at most.

So naturally I wanted to ask Invector directly and see what happens. I hope there are more people who can help with this request. It would be great if the community has highly competent asset creators who are interested and can help. Although I am tempered by my past online cooperative creative experiences and thus I am not quick to overestimate the production capability of solely good intentions. Yet as guarded with a skeptical eye as I am in saying this, I am no stranger to successfully working with a community on complex projects. For example I delivered a few Baldur's Gate modules via community collaboration over drawn out periods of time and with overcoming high complexity obstacles.

I wonder who is interested in this kind of project for it cannot hurt to ask around and see who replies. I am not adverse to asking around and emailing, contacting and trying to send an olive branch over to whomever I can find for help. I am very much already invested into developing an RPG with combat like that within Invector's controller even before they rolled out the Unity asset; yet my struggle has been finding the creative tools. So I am not going away or flaking out any time soon to the best of my ability. I just need to find the right other people who I can at least work with for 2-4 weeks and develop a feature or two in order to chip away at this colossal task piece by piece. I find that aforementioned creative method works the best with online cooperation; short develop cycles and small chunks of solid content that are complete and modular.

I in part worry if no one asks nor shows a demand in grand RPGs; no developer will try to develop the necessary tool kits in order for the aspiring developers and designers at large to build the next great RPG. I know there are so many people who try, cannot find the tools and quit and get sucked into the general work force. I am just a person who does not quit searching for the tools.

[sirwinfield]

I would match that $500!!!

[maci]

Sorry guys (WithinAmnesia and sirwinfield) but there is something that is not clear to me. You two are apparently willing to fund an RPG add-on for Invector with a feature list posted at the beginning. Now, let's assume I'm willing to do it (I have most of it already in my current project and could extract it) and let's review the list:

1.) - Wearable Armour: I don't have this (but could add it easily) because it assumes you have a content pipeline with a full set of skinned meshes for the various elements
2.) - Full Quest System: No. I use QuestMachine and will not even try to replicate it. It's a brilliant asset and trivial to integrate
3.) - Character Statistics and Abilities and Classes: Have that, with an approach different from uberwiggett
4.) - Save-able character slots: you can get this out of the box with Dialogue System
5.) - Loot Tables and Loot Windows: have that
6.) - Colour Coded Item Qualities: have that
7.) - Mounts: No. Again, there's an asset for that (Horse Animset Pro) which does an excellent job and comes with integration out of the box
8.) - Player Item Banking / Stash: Have that
9.) - Inventory Item Sounds: have that (it's trivial to add to the Invector inventory)
10.) - Crafting and Profession skill system: I have professions and crafting is covered by the crafting add on

Now, that said, your list is lacking some elements of a full RPG system (dialogue? vendors/merchants? spells and magic?). Dialogue is another thing I will not consider (Dialogue System is the best dialogue engine for Unity) but I do have the rest. I could extract my code and turn it into a standalone add on. How do you think I should do it and why?

I could give the two of you a copy each for 500$. Would that work for you?
I could publish it on the asset store/itch.io/sellfy/wherever. Do you think I would make enough sales to cover support costs?
I could open source it and put it on GitHub. This is the "engine" of my game, what would be the benefit for me?
What about new features?

Please do not consider this a personal attack, I'm just trying to understand what you are actually expecting from me/UberWigget/Invector/anyone who picks it up. As I moved into gamedev full time, I'm open to exploring options besides making a game and publishing it.

[WithinAmnesia]

Jun 26, 2020 8:32:10 GMT maci said:

Sorry guys (WithinAmnesia and sirwinfield ) but there is something that is not clear to me. You two are apparently willing to fund an RPG add-on for Invector with a feature list posted at the beginning. Now, let's assume I'm willing to do it (I have most of it already in my current project and could extract it) and let's review the list:

1.) - Wearable Armour: I don't have this (but could add it easily) because it assumes you have a content pipeline with a full set of skinned meshes for the various elements
2.) - Full Quest System: No. I use QuestMachine and will not even try to replicate it. It's a brilliant asset and trivial to integrate
3.) - Character Statistics and Abilities and Classes: Have that, with an approach different from uberwiggett
4.) - Save-able character slots: you can get this out of the box with Dialogue System
5.) - Loot Tables and Loot Windows: have that
6.) - Colour Coded Item Qualities: have that
7.) - Mounts: No. Again, there's an asset for that (Horse Animset Pro) which does an excellent job and comes with integration out of the box
8.) - Player Item Banking / Stash: Have that
9.) - Inventory Item Sounds: have that (it's trivial to add to the Invector inventory)
10.) - Crafting and Profession skill system: I have professions and crafting is covered by the crafting add on

Now, that said, your list is lacking some elements of a full RPG system (dialogue? vendors/merchants? spells and magic?). Dialogue is another thing I will not consider (Dialogue System is the best dialogue engine for Unity) but I do have the rest. I could extract my code and turn it into a standalone add on. How do you think I should do it and why?

I could give the two of you a copy each for 500$. Would that work for you?
I could publish it on the asset store/itch.io/sellfy/wherever. Do you think I would make enough sales to cover support costs?
I could open source it and put it on GitHub. This is the "engine" of my game, what would be the benefit for me?
What about new features?

Please do not consider this a personal attack, I'm just trying to understand what you are actually expecting from me/UberWigget/Invector/anyone who picks it up. As I moved into gamedev full time, I'm open to exploring options besides making a game and publishing it.

"I could give the two of you a copy each for 500$. Would that work for you?
I could publish it on the asset store/itch.io/sellfy/wherever. Do you think I would make enough sales to cover support costs?"

Why not do both? I am here looking for help because I could not find an RPG engine powerful enough to work with; all the power to you to try and sell to as many people as you can. More people who can use a grand RPG engine the better.

I wrote a bible of reply to uberwiggett here about my lot in life in this: invector.proboards.com/post/24581/thread

(I can pay more than $500 over long periods of time, I just need to prove my trust). If you are able to make the gameplay features for a grand RPG piece by piece I am willing to pay.

I do not know anyone on the forum here really well so I am looking for talented help. I try to be flexible so that I can work with as many people as I can. Yet I want to not over complicate the pipeline so I lean more towards a small crew of people rather than an army. Less moving parts the better chance it will work and keep working. Although I understand that it is not right to overburden a few people with a lot of work so, like everything it is a balance.

The list in not exhaustive for right now I need to find people who I can trust to work with. Start small, make the gameplay fun first and build out. I do want more features like dialog, vendors, a giant talent tree, but those can come later and my big struggle is the combat gameplay / visual character progression.

I know this is serious and all but like, if I went and asked for around 126 points I don't think anyone would want to help so I kept my request to the bare essentials. I need to find people not chase them away XD.

That being said and like what uberwiggett pointed out with it being not a good plan in overburdening one person to deliver a whole range of already made gameplay assets instead of trying to make a handful of mature assets compatible with each other. What would be your suggestion of a core group of necessary assets that can be combined without killing the game from bugs. Making gameplay / tool assets from different people across different fields of interest / dedication / continued development ranges is kinda risky in running smoothly. This is for the more moving parts by different people the higher chance of bugs and crashes and things that could be avoided with a small group of well communicated talented people. I wish I had a proper budget for an office and an in-house staffed studio but I am not there yet so I have to make do with: This, the unknown.

I know I am not a great person with Unity (yet I try to improve) but I understand that it is people who build the world not the world that builds people (to a large degree). I need help from the community and I need to find people who I can prove my trust. Ask all the questions, I need to find people to work with and helpfully find fair deals to make with. If there is a Discord channel or another means of communication that is better suited for yourself please feel free to say so.

I have to be flexible, there are so few talented people, in that I understand that every person who can be helpful to myself I must be helpful to themselves. This is because trust is the most valuable resource, without it civilization stops and empires crumble. Yet with trust and an iron will to achieve hard goals together as one nothing is impossible even killing self doubt! Even a person like myself who is bad with Unity trying to make Unity tools for a grand RPG can overcome this obstacle that would usually kill any forward momentum time and time again; even I can achieve hard goals outside my fields of experience with the help from the community coupled with fair trade! It works yet it needs trust; and like respect, trust is earned not given. So here I am trying to prove that I am able to be trusted. Yet as you know trade needs at least two people so here we are. I need help with Unity and everyone needs money XD.

[uberwiggett]

addressing this here rather than my addon thread;

You might think that the implementation of several assets is a bad thing, and sometimes it can be if you don't have it managed properly. But I can assure you it's the best way forward for this RPG project. You are better off hiring people who know how to use these purpose built systems to get you the best quality outcomes. You'll also find that with the big ones that I listed, they already have integration worked out with invector and each other, this means you could use them and only have a small team to manage each facet, under the guidance and leadership of one head director. As long as you get people well versed enough in the different assets you shouldn't have any compatibility issues.

If you go throwing money at someone to build "trust" then tell them they will get $200 a month after that, you're not going to get what you expect. Save your money, invest it in the different toolsets and learn more about how to achieve what you want in an RPG, then you can start hiring people to help you and with your knowledge you can better guide them as to exactly what you want.

[maci]

WithinAmnesia, if you want an idea of what can be done by some custom coding and integrations with existing assets, I just posted a video of my current project here: link to W.I.P. thread